Ludwig van Beethoven
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He would almost certainly score as RLUEI in Big 5 (SLOAN code), which corresponds loosely to INTP (turbulent) But I think he is a perfect example of T/F being different than the Big 5 axis of agreeableness. I do believe he is INFP-T though.
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just going through my old fav yt vids https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WfE90BrM-qU
For now ISFP fits best in my view. It has been explained why he was no Ni-dom in his working process, but his temperament fits much better with Te inferior channeled through Se than Ne. Se is much better at sustaining anger than Ne.
CT article explained why he's an INFP: http://www.celebritytypes.com/blog/2016/12/why-ludwig-van-beethoven-is-infp/
"He wasn't any where near an Ni type genius" You talk like a true fascist.
Yes INFP makes sense. He wasn't any where near an Ni type genius. He is pure Fi.
Changing vote to INFP.
Upon further reflection I’m actually not opposed to seeing Beethoven as INFP. At any rate he’s not a “clear” INTJ, contrary to what I said before. I’ll do more research on him. However on the forward-thinking-using-Te-framework thing, I think Brahms (INTJ) is a better example than Bach (ISTJ).
Beethoven's portrayal in the movie 'Copying Beethoven' is really is a pissed-off and unbalanced INFP. I don't know about the real Beethoven though.
I don't know where the idea of Beethoven being Ni came from because his compositional style is known to be very one-step-at-a-time, and if he didn't like the step forward he would generate more ideas. This seems to be very consistent with the idea of feeling something, and then using Ne to try to match that feeling, and being unsatisfied until the Fi-filter approves. I feel an INTJ would be a little more forward thinking and have more of an intuitive Te-framework set out beforehand, and the most obvious example of this style would be Bach.
INTJs having Aux-Te doesn't mean they necessarily like Te dominant systems, look at Lenin or Marx. Plus he was Ni over Ne. INTJs are one of the first to stand up to an ENTJ.
Tough call between INFP and INTJ. I feel his defining judging is way more Fi than Te though (look at that story with Napoleon), which is why I lean towards INFP.
INTJ - very clearly a Ni dominant, as he believed music was "a higher revelation than all wisdom and philosophy" and he wrote music to "raise men to the divine." He didn't think practice alone could make one great—as he said, "Don't only practice your art, but force your way into its secrets." Contrast this with the ISTJ Bach. Also he was very individualistic: "I am what I am and I owe myself for this." Not an INFJ.
Introverted judgers are also chaotic, especially the Ni-dominated types. They just prefer conclusion more then perceivers.
INTP - he was way to chaotic for being a judger. He also loved improvising.
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