Edward Elric (Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood)
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ENTP + 6w7 Sx/So. - Tritype: 6-8-3 (aka the Aggressive Justice Fighter). - Tertiary Fe is well-developed.
ExTP with strong Fe.
I can see ENTJ subtype Fi, too.
He doesn't seem consistent across both adaptations so I added 2003 versions of Ed and Al.
I think Ed is an Genius ESFP like Tarantino
ENFP. He is clearly Fi user, he didn't used the stone even knowing that the souls present in it just suffers and implore to be dead, because his personal values. He would never kill a human. I really think he is an ENFP or even ESFP.
I'd guess an NFJ based on the story
Do you think the author herself is an ENTP?
@bobnickmad yes that is a possibility about Gon. I think it all gets down to how we are going to type, and different methods of typing yielding different results. You may be able to make a by-the-letters argument for ENTP in Ed, but I don't really see the Ne. His creativity is a lot more directed. An ENTP going on an adventure is probably going to have a bit more fun along the way at the very least, even if they are a directed ENTP. Especially a 13 yr old one. He just seems way too mature and focused at his age to be an extroverted perceiving type. It's not like ENTJ have to be completely serious. He also has really hard times taking a joke which seems more like an inferior Fi thing. I tend not to get along well with ESTJ because they have trouble taking jokes sort of like Ed.
He's rare ENTP protagonist.
The only reason I can think of for such a bias to N vs S in Ed vs Gon, is that one is supposed to be "smart" and one isn't so much. So is it typism?
He is less creative with his powers than Gon, yet Gon is nearly unanimously considered ESFP. Most of Brotherhood in particular is just willing his hand clap powers with his mind.
ENTP. He is an improvising, creative genius. With Fe towards his brother of course.
I will always be puzzled how he gets typed as ENTP, when he doesn't use Ne.
I'll be seeing you on the ILIntp page.
Says the guy who says "INTP and ESFJ have the same functions, so it's easy to see how someone could get them confused, but it's pretty obvious he prioritizes Fe above Ti because he's not a douchebag, and Si above Ne because he's not crazy." People thought YOU were trolling. The pot calling the kettle black.
Sore loser bitching.
lol "shutting down", more like making idiotic arguments
Not intp: On a purely E/I basis, and the debate in this page has often been on E/I: Entps lie right in the middle of that E/I spectrum, intps do not. ---------------------------- Not entj: the whole page has been me shutting down your entj idea and making you upset, don't make me repeat myself.
Wow! I was wondering why Edward Elric pretty much took up the last activity list. Wow!
Why would you think ENTP or INTJ and not ENTJ or INTP?
ENTP or INTJ.
The easiest framework Is he closer to INTP or INTJ? Is he introverted or extroverted?
Oh well I'm done here. This dude's an ENTJ for life.
Your framework: too goofy *shrugs*
See my post.
Well if you really think that ENTP or INTJ are better fits than ENTJ you should at least be able to explain why.
I am literally speaking within the framework you established and using those as rules that can't be broken to make this talk possible. So don't be meh yet.
Duh, your the one who is always arguing "fit."
And why would that be?
I only said sporty, not most* sporty. A half-as-sporty INTJ or ENTP would fit far better.
Lol the "sportiest" N-type person is ENTJ :)
Sporty N-type person.
There's something for you to trash, I don't even care lolll.
Oh heck with it, every N-type to an extent other than ENTJ.
What's one more realistic typing than ENTJ?
Nvm, you ignored my hunch below.
When did I say he was ENTP or INTJ? Answer my question on the yojik topic.
Well see, if you're going to convince me he's not ENTJ you're going to have to present a more plausible typing. And if you're going to say that he uses too much Se to be ENTJ and then use that as argument for ENTP or INTJ then that's just nuts.
Why are you still so concerned with the debate, but I'm sure you will deny that (a hunch). Forget what I just said thought. Just this: Why would I commit to something I don't believe in?
Well if you're going to say he's not ENTJ cause he has *more* Se, then you've got to commit to SP.
Let me work this out, types with strong SE: ESFP, ESTP, ISTP, ISFP, not that I am arguing for them in any sense whatsoever really.
I don't come in here with an one-type-agenda, I just want the truth. He just is not ENTJ.
So are you proposing he's an Se-aux or dom? Cause ENTJ's Se-tert is the highest preference in all the types with votes.
Hence why I've been saying he is not ENTJ, finally scotty.
And I do agree that he can get quite Fi at times but that can also be a plot device just like how Se can be. But Ed's Se seems more natural like it's a part of him. In fact more natural than Eren Yeager who is often typed as Se-dom.
Speed Gavroche is the most prolific poster here who speaks French, but he doesn't care about anime
http://mbti.forumactif.fr/ I speak the language, but I don't particularly care about that issue right now, sorry.
(Fi too strong to be ENTJ, but I digress..) Which forum? Any one of us speak passable French? I am okay with private backups too btw.
The website was created by a group of French-speaking MBTI fans who meet on a particular forum. That's where you could ask for information.
Well, talking of your ideas, Edward is definitely a Fi-user. He never shows his emotions to anyone (save his brother, and scarcely) and we only get to see them because we're spectators of an anime. He's fairly cold towards people despite caring a lot about them, and never engages in any form of Fe-talk (unlike, say Winry). As for the moral side of Fi, he doesn't care about what anyone else wants him to do or to be, is adamant about his principles (I did human transmutation, this is my sin and I'll carry it because what I did is unforgivable...) and always deems it necessary to keep true to himself.
I want to back up the site too.
On extremely extremely serious note, I bring up http://www.mbti-databank.com/index.php?page=pforummessage&idsujetforum=33 again.
and to think I didn't think it could get any worse... TT_TT
Don't call me names, you can attack my ideas but not the person okay..?
Yeah this whole pretending to be an ENFP thing makes me think this has to be a troll.
You know intjs better than me, I definitely do believe you :)
Indeed, that sounds like something not even an INTJ would say IRL.
Np, ILIntp! ENFPs do.. So we don't exist?
"I am ready whenever scotty promises not to get so confrontational when he lose again." -- Who talks like this in reality?
oh and one thing I'd like to ask of i (I might start calling you apple later because i -> iPhone -> apple) is that you try to be less vindictive saying things like "when he loses again," because that makes you seem less willing to compromise. as for scotty, think a little more before you post because (and this bit goes for both of you) impulsive responses aren't helping.
Are you a troll or just retarded?
oh and Ne-sidenote: http://www.mbti-databank.com/index.php?page=pforummessage&idsujetforum=33
It should be a super easy request.
Yay, ILIntp. I am ready whenever scotty promises not to get so confrontational when he lose again. It really should be a super easy thing. (Please don't question my request, it's one of my core Fi values for decent endings)
I guess I feign getting worked up to push the discussion in a certain direction. My bad.
I'd say the starting point was the ENTP typing which everyone here seems to disown.
so I was gone for a bit and now that I'm back the first thing I'd like to say is that from where I'm standing it looks like BOTH i and scotty are getting pretty worked up at the moment. it also looks like our car is tumbling off the road, which I thought initially led to a consensus on Ed's type. At this point what I'd suggest is a nice, long, well thought out post from each side to use as a starting point because, really, there never was a starting point.
He's definitely borderline on the I/E axis, but I'd still see him as an introvert. An INTJ with weak I preference being very outspoken and confrontational is not something unheard of (I would know), especially when he feels a possiblity to act on his environment. INTJs are prone to wanting to take decisions and change things due to their Te, but give up if they realise it's going to be hopeless. Edward enjoys a lot of leeway in the story thanks to being an Alchemist and the protagonist of the series, not to mention being surrounded by particularly mature adults.
You want no rules, lol sigh... Well, ILIntp (to a large extent) said you were getting worked up too. *shrug*
I have no interest in playing a game with you and following some sort of rules. You've also been more provocative than I have.
@i, I am not worked up. Stop projecting.
Look, I care about sportsmanship. Just make the promise okay? It's an understandable request given my type, then we can start :)
@i, what are you even talking about? A) you're not going to get banned here (nobody even moderates this site) B) I have not retracted once. Everything I've said has been logically consistent. Ed doesn't have particularly strong Fi, but it's stronger than his Fe.
(I can't be without this website lol and I am not even getting worked up)
@yojik, INTJ would be my second choice but I really just think his tendency to act out and be confrontational is a product of his personality, and that isn't well explained by INTJ. INTJ types tend to live in their head more than Ed does.
and make the promise scotty. I don't want to get banned for just talking about my interests (mbti)
You're taking too long, and even in chess world championships you don't get that long. You had said he was ENTJ before retracting here and there, everywhere (Te-Ni-Se-Fi is Fi inferior). How could Ed as an ENTJ such* strong Fi?
I believe the model is a crude way to describe the functions of 16 different patterns of healthy cognition. And Ed happens to fall under one of those categories. And you're just plain impossible. You're so desperate to play the part of the pigeon in pigeon chess, when I'm not even playing a game. http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Pigeon_chess
and you promise not to get so confrontational when you lose again?
Good, we can start. You were the one who said you don't believe in that model. If I had won after not asking anything else you would have just denied losing.
He can seem to have high Se, but it could very well be written off as just a plot device. It's certainly convenient to have a character that rushes into danger everytime you need him to.
I've always seen him as an INTJ, although I'd gladly admit to being biased here. The ENTJ suggestion is interesting, although he seems to have very strong Fi compared to what you'd expect from this type, don't you think ?
Why don't you learn what an ENTJ is and then get back? When I say "the ENTJ model" I mean Te-Ni-Se-Fi.
How's that for a handicap? :)
Then we'll go from there, that's really gracious lol
Actually I'll literally give* you the first move, why don't you just define what an ENTJ is lol?
Simply put - unlike Ed Elric who fits the ENTJ model, I don't fit neatly into one of the 16 models.
(just FYI: I've typed myself for a few years now, but that's not it) If you can't even type yourself after all this time..., how can we let you lead a movement to type someone else?
He's driven by personal feelings and acts rude as hell to others. His sense of morality is very personal and independent with how he's bullheaded and doesn't care about society's way of feeling.
" "Fi" more than "Fe"" but* where's the evidence?
"Fi" more than "Fe" but* here's the evidence? This is isn't "I am God and everything I say must be right" and "more than half the time"? That's a big statement. I really can't help but say: ORLY??! lol
And the whole shadow function thing is just a theory. These symbols like Fe and Fi just represent a certain thing and where has it even been shown that Fe-doms use more Ti than Te for example? It's just an illustration of how things maybe ideally should work in a healthy Fe-dom but let me tell you I can't even type myself and the 4-function model only compounds that further. I do think that Ed Elric actually fits the ENTJ 4-function stack fairly cleanly but I just prefer not using it as an argument.
I understand what people say about the order of the functions and for some people its true and some it isn't. It's a very rough model which works for some and not for others. Actually in Ed's case, he does use "Se" quite a bit more than "Fe", and also "Fi" more than "Fe". But I think that's an ineffective to type people based off of these assumptions of a crude model. Look at what happens when people take cognitive functions tests. I think more than half the time they end up with their two judging functions not on the same axis (like Te+Ti or Te+Fe).
(all stuff I believe in)
My shortest response yet: but I agree with ILIntp, done.
I'd also like to agree with the notion that the majority could be wrong in typing Ed as an ENTP, by the way. That doesn't make the typing any less valid, but it does rule out strength of numbers as an advantage.
honestly I don't mean to take sides, but as a factual interlude: each type develops and utilizes 4 functions, for the ENTJ: Te-Ni-Se-Fi, and for the ENTP: Ne-Ti-Fe-Si. If you don't believe me I can cite a specific chapter of Myers' Gifts Differing. Healthy individuals develop these functions in order, as the first two come more naturally than the last. There's the whole shadow-function theory as well but that's technically not MBTI.
"I don't believe in Fe or Fi being indicative at all of MBTI type" I rest my point with what you just said, (that's basically the foundation of modern MBTI......). The rest of what you said is even worse.
The majority of people are WRONG. Appeal to popular opinion is not an argument. I have a lot of theories for why people arrived at ENTP but they all involve them employing flawed logic. Also to ILIntp, I don't believe in Fe or Fi being indicative at all of MBTI type. A lot of NTJs are close to NFJ and thus use Fe more than Fi. A lot of NTPs are close to NFP and use Fi more than Fe.
That was addressed to scotty :)
Nope, you are trying to change the status quo by 2 visible senses of the word, so you're gonna have to do waaaaaay better than such weak arguments lol. He is seen as an ENTP by a large democratic majority on here, and if you google search a very neutral "Edward Elric mbti" your results are even more staggering ENTP-filled. Are you saying you are the best MBTI reader, screw others? I certainly don't mind bringing in another point as ILIntp said (and I could), but you are going to get even more confrontational as you haven't gotten your way via route1, nor route2, and I know route3 is not going to go your way either.
truly, you know what I'd like to see you talk about: whether he uses Fe or Fi. That sounds like a better debate to me. Less subjective, more room to find evidence...
but really it would be nice to stop trying to assign blame and start recognizing when a match comes to a draw
You're the one treating it like a personal competition. I could care less about that stuff. He's an ENTJ by both the letters and Jungian version of MBTI and your attempts to argue against that using silly face art style is laughable.
Thanks ILIntp, it's good I'm not the only one who sees it: but only one of us is worked up >_<
"Crap" huh? A winner is generally revealed when the other party needlessly uses foul language or* gets angry.
hi guys as someone who's been peacefully spectating, I think it would probably be more productive to abandon the goofy point for now because A. it looks like y'alls going nowhere with it and B. it's getting you worked up over nothing
No, you're just posting the same irrelevant crap over and over and trying to pass it off as an argument against a straw man. I'm just responding to whatever crap you keep putting forward and treating it as such. It's like you can't even tell the difference between art style and personality.
Let me recap: so you had said "NTPs are pretty goofy. NTJs like Ed aren't." Now refusing to fully lose, you are giving me goofy, but saying that it is just the artistic/drawing style. You are "opening a second front," hoping to win there. Okay, but (and this is no longer just* being drawn goofily) Ed literally thinks/daydreams goofy lol http://b1969d.medialib.glogster.com/media/7131d81abcb642f8fd2d5096cc2eee87b5b1960f1f65e37948995b791cccafc4/edward-elric-s-daydreams.png
The animators' representation of emotions is goofy for all characters. That doesn't say anything about the personality of the characters.
They look extremely goofy and you said NTJs are not goofy.
Don't make absolute statements like that unless you can 100% back it up lol. http://imgur.com/EY6ppbR Where's the smoke coming out of those ones? I just looked at and highlighted some of the ones on edges (I certainly could go on). eg. Embarrassment or surprise are certainly not* anger no?
LOL apparently you don't understand what those faces even mean. They could've shown smoke coming out of his ears. It'd mean the same exact thing.
and I simply quote you "NTJs like Ed aren't [goofy]".
Ed is goofy, might be too-goofy-to-be-ENTP-and-everyone-else goofy http://fc01.deviantart.net/fs71/i/2010/355/4/b/many_faces_of_edward_elric_2_by_brokensilhouette77-d35dlg2.jpg
It's not about loving work per se but it's about being tightly wound, never taking time to breathe, rather than their relaxed perceiving counterparts. NTPs are pretty goofy. NTJs like Ed aren't. Ed is full force ahead, get that shit done.
I said 10 actually. I could have referred to a different episode, but I just meant I didn't have to go very far to refute your 'loves works' narrative. Would you have rather I used any other episode? Then I would have 63 other episodes to use for refuting your point. They just weren't necessary.
ENTJ is one of the least understood types especially for children. Is he closer to INTP or INTJ? Is he introverted or extroverted?
You said watch 15 seconds so I did, now you talk about the whole episode. By his work I mean his personal missions. Is he trying to avoid his personal missions? I doubt it cause he's ultra directed.
"so focused on his work" In fact, the whole episode is about trying to get out* of the work.
Yeah and he doesn't want to talk about love or show any vulnerability. Very NTJ.
He's "so focused on his work," did even watch 3 seconds? The scene is not about work, totally different... it is about love lol
That could be one of the worst arguments I've ever seen to try to discredit a typing. It actually reinforces ENTJ cause he's so focused on his work. And ENTJ are more prone to outbursts than ENTP and INTJ.
I am generally fairly open-minded as to what type a character can be and don't like debates, but he is just not an ENTJ. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-3moeBvu6Ac&feature=youtu.be&t=135 Watching that for 10 seconds is enough.
I strongly agree with ENTJ. The justification for him being an introvert makes sense until you look at the situation he's in. One all-but-orphaned kid and his armor suit brother surrounded by a ton of adults. I will agree that INTJ makes more sense than ENTP, but he is way more bold and outspoken than a typical INTJ. His laser focus, bossiness, determination, abrasiveness, overconfidence, and rushing into action is a direct result of his ENTJ personality. An INTJ would act out a lot less and be more careful.
We got one guy saying extrovert, one guy saying "clearly an introvert" .......
Why no votes for ENTJ? He's both extroverted and commanding/decisive.
All of the ENTPs I have met distrust people.
Ed is clearly an introvert, he's never been shown to have more than a handful of friends and is distrustful of new people. He's definitely a Rational (NT) this leaves it as a toss up between INTJ and INTP. However, given his biting sarcasm and the fact that his value system is so fundamental to his being I would have to put him as an INTJ.
Ed & Al = Green frères.