Han Solo ( Star Wars )
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he is holding that gun so wrong lmfao
ESTP and counterphobic 6w7 Sx/Sp.
This argument is old but just to add (not targeted at anyone or looking to fight, just stating my thoughts): ISTPs CAN be charming but it's not natural to them. They have to really force out that inferior Fe so it's quite straining for them to ACT out charm. ESTPs are naturally charming because of tertiary Fe so they don't have to work at it. Obviously Han doesn't need to work hard at that, so his Fe literally can't be inferior. He's ESTP.
It's precisely because he does'nt "try" to be charming, but IS charming that he is ESTP. I nerver said hat everybody are either 100% I or 100% E. You simply don't understand the difference between an ISTP and an ESTP. You simply sai "Han is independant, so he is ISTP" but that's completely stupid because ESTP are independent too. Independance has nothing to do with the E/I dichotomy. More with the F/T dichotomy, Basically ExTx are independant, while IxFx are dependent. Also, ExTx are independant AND charming, while IxTx are just independant. Why? Becase the true difference between E and I is if you are energised or drained by the external world. And Han Solo is an extrovert: he is loudmout, coky, run into acion without thinking, agressive, comanding cometitor, and never need to spend time alone to recharge. ISTPs can have some charm, but a passive, quiet charm, or perhaps he can "try" to be charming and achieve it, but since Fe is their inferior function, they always need stron efforts to master it. It's not the case of Han. You will never see an ISTP have the flourish, flamboyant, playboy, coky and funny charm of Han, and you would have never see Steve Jobs (ISTP) hit on on a woman like Han (ESTP) hit on Leia. And Steve Jobs was nerdy, liked introverted shit like "meditation", it's not the case of Han. So we can say that one was an iSTP oand the other an eSTP. Comparing Han Solo with INTPs like Albert Einstein or Abraham Lincoln is stupid anyway. I mean if you think that Han is a "sensor version" of them that's laughable. It's as irrelevant as when you comapare an ENTJ like Lando wit an ISTJ like Darth Vader. Again, speaking about Lando you don't understand the différences between ESTP and ENTJ. You're simply saying "Lando is a charming Alpha Male, so he is an ESTP", but that's stupid because ENTJ are charming aalpha male too. Here are the diifferences: ESTPs like Han are Type B peole: they prefer to go with the flow and deal with détails without having oo muc responsabilities. While ENTJ are Type A people, like Lando they are organized and like to have big projects and a big picture to think about. Also h=if you had read comics and novel, like the Han Solo Trilogy for examples, ou would know that Lando isn ot very at ease in the sensor and natural environment, he is organized and is more the strategist who prefer to stay at a table playing sabbac, he can lead troops on a battlefield, but Seu would also know that Han has a lot of friends and ould also know that Han has a lot of friends and has no problem to spend a long time with a lot of people, he like it, ad thses things were written by authors because they are consistent with the obviously extrovert personality of Han and obviously J persoality of Land in the movies. Harrison Ford anyway has clearly more introveted personality tan Han, and in the manga version the character is unleashed of the inroversion of Ford, we can see that he is extrovert.
Anyway, the way you seem to type, someone must be 100% I, 100% S, 100% T and 100% P before they can be called an ISTP. But that's not how it works. There is balance and variation. Han clearly is not 100% E either. So how then would he fit either type based on your logic? He is really probably more of an ambivert, but from my observations he leans clearly toward the introvert side. You speak as though only the most extreme examples of every type, the most extroverted extroverts and most introverted introverts exist. But that's not true. Jung himself said that most people fall closer to the middle and he was right. The way you type is totally backwards and wrong. As for Lando, I have zero idea where you drew those conclusions from. Zero. No evidence from the limited information in the movies AT ALL that he likes leading for the sake of it, having a project or structure, sitting in an office ordering people and not getting his hands dirty. I saw not one iota of evidence of any of this ever. To me, he is a lot like Han, just more extroverted. Hefits the image of the energetic, gambling, smooth talking, shady snake oil salesman ESTP perfectly. All of this was played up in his interactions with Leia, his history with Han and Cloud City, his role in ROTJ, etc. It just fits perfectly. I would expect an ENTJ to be less of a smooth talker, less of a risk taker, more direct, purposeful, intellectual, and domineering and in control. More like Darth Vader in fact, who is at the very least a TJ type. He is not at all like a TP type like Lando or Han.
Wow, you read a manga. I'm so impressed. I for one do not consider the extended universe crap to be canon, so I'm only going off the movies. And in them, Han is clearly an introvert. He is a loner. He does have only one close friend. He is not energized by people. Quite the opposite. He is not a loudmouth. Everything you said is just straight up wrong. Espeially the part about ISTPs being incapable of being charming. What a load of shit. There is tons of variation within every single type. Both Lincoln and Einstein may have been INTP, but had vastly different amounts of charisma. (Also inferior Fe.) The way you type, it's as though everybody of a type MUST fit a preconceived description of that type EXACTLY or else they cannot be that type. But that's not how it works. MBTI is just about preferences of varying strengths and it doesn't account for everything that makes an individual. It's not set in stone like that. There are not merely 16 types of people and that's that. There's more variation. Clearly, Han does not fit the ESTP stereotype perfectly either. In fact he fits the ISTP one much better in my view. I mean come on, you even think Steve Jobs is an ISTP right? So how then can you say they can never be charming? Steve was. So are a lot of actors typed as ISTP. ISTPs can have friends, they can have charm, etc. You are making type about more than it really measures. And moreover, Han's charm seems to come from the fact that he doe not TRY to be charming. That's what seperates him from Lando, a smooth talker who deliberately puts the moves on people and is a true extrovert. Han just doesn't care at all. That's where the whole "rouguish charm" thing comes from. It's as though he has charm precisely because he has no charm, a lot like House MD. It's not the Lando/Extrovert kind of charm, one based on feeding off and being energized by people. It's being drained by people and being sarcastic and short with them like Han is as a result. Harrison Ford was such a good fit because both he and Han are ISTPs. It's a perfect match. When I think of ESTP, I think of someone like Lando or someone like Hank from Breaking Bad. Han just doesn't match either. He isn't nearly as energetic and enthusiastic around people as I would expect from an ESTP. He doesn't rely on them either. He just wants to fly off with Chewie in the Falcon and not get involved in others' affairs. He sticks to himself. He is a lot more independent and individualistic than any extrovert could be. And again, any type can have or develop social skills or be charming, and what you say about Han does not remotely match up with what is shown in the movies anyway, so I have no idea where you are coming from. He does NOT have many friends and definitely does NOT enjoy being around many people. That is made abundantly clear. Honestly just about everything in your "argument" is completely false. It's based on false information, false assumptions about type, and it makes illogical leaps, plus it is not at all consistent. Han is clearly an ISTP and you have not shown any proof otherwise.
Lando is an ENTJ. Unlike Han he's the guy who love to lead forthe sake of laeading, always has a project or a structure to lead, he's more at ease in an office sending order to his employees than being on the field dealing with the natural environment and getting his hands dirty. ISTP are Fe last, and therefore are not charming. ESTP are individualistic and independent. But also have many friends and can be charming and loudmouth. Contrarly to what you think, Han has many friends and enjoy a lot being with people. That's whan an ESTP is: independent and cold, yet charming and energized by people without need to recharge alone and with very good social skills. ISTP are just independent and cold, but not charming. Thoses are the différences betweeen thes two types, and, obviously, Han is ESTP. Also, the type of the actor may confuse people. I've read a manga version of the movie, and Han is undoubtly an ESTP there.
How is Lando anything but ESTP? He is the textbook definition of ESTP. And who says ISTPs cannot be charming, cocky or funny? Ridiculous. Han is pretty short with people and an absolute loner. He exhudes a cool, distant aura. He has one close friend in Chewie and clearly does not like to spend much time around many people, especially before the series began, and he is fiercely independent and likes doing his own thing and working alone. And he is a lot like many ISTP heroes, including many of Clint Eastwood's characters and of course Indiana Jones. Harrison Ford himself is a pretty strong and clear ISTP based on every interview I have read or seen with him. Your reasoning is nonsense; ISTP heroes do not have to be universally "cold," and Boba Fett and Darth Maul don't really do anything or have well defined personalities anyway, so your logic that Han MUST act EXACTLY like them to be ISTP is absurd. There is wider variation within the type than that, assuming Fett and Maul are ISTP in the first place. And I would argue Han is pretty cold anyway, at least at first. I think the difference between him and Lando is a pretty clear difference between ISTP and ESTP. As the latter, Lando is much more of a true snake charmer who is more expressive and more of a people person than Han, who doesn't try to impress people and doesn't care what they think. That's what makes him so cool. ISTP for sure.
Good points; I agree. ESTP, though fairly close on the E-I.
That has nothing to do with being a vilain or not. Han Solo is charming, cocky and funny and never need to spend time alone to recherge his energy. ESTPs vilains behave the same as both ESTP hero and ESTP vilains are charming and arr=ogant jerks. ISTP though are colder than Han, even when they are ISTP hero. Beign an hero or a vilain does not matter. ISTP heroes are not like han.
Boba Fett and Darth Maul are both villains, though, with very few scenes to get to know them in. So they're naturally going to appear more emotionally distant or "inferior Fe" than a well-developed major character like Han Solo.
No, he is an ESTP. Clearly tertiary Fe instead of inferior Fe. Compare with Boba Fett and Darth Maul (who are trues ISTPs). And Lando is an ENTJ.
He's called Han SOLO for a reason. ISTP. Lando is an ESTP.