Qui-Gon Jinn ( Star Wars )
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actually, I agree with the INFJ argument. I guess the jedi could be moment oriented people since they are martial artists. Many martial artists despite being intuitives will say that focusing on the moment is the most important thing just like many scientists will say that being logical is important and Christians will say that being empathetic is important, but that doesn't mean that they have a natural preference for it, it just means they are willing to be open to their lower functions for the sake of their passions and for the greater good. I can see how Qui gon can be an INFJ since he obviously shows more Fe-Ti than Fi-Te in his decision making. I also see himself using the focus on the moment crap to maintain a jedi's mindset and He is driven by a theory that Anakin has mighty potential as the chosen one. Even Obi-wan wouldn't see past the jedi code, preferring to use things right in front of him as criteria and believing that the chosen one would be chosen by the council and not some magical force wielder destined by fate to end the sith's treachery. Qui Gon saw one piece of the puzzle, and figured out the rest through his NI. It all makes sense now, Changed vote to INFJ
Good point on him being INFJ, Memphis - and on his Ti/Fe, flyby. Vote changed to INFJ until another argument is presented.
These quotes are not evidence of any sensory preference. It has to do with Jedi's behavior. Yoda said the same thing about Luke when listing the reasons why he couldn't teach him "This one a long time have i watched. All his life has he looked away... to the future, to the horizon, never his mind on where he was, what he was doing". Yet, Yoda isn't a sensor. Neglecting the feeling/sensation of the moment, the force is not a Jedi's behavior. If the midi-chlorian test was any kind of evidence that Anakin was the Chosen One, no one would be against raising him as a Jedi. Yet, the Council's members (who have even tested the boy) did not accept at first Anakin, Qui-Gon had to insist to get this privilege from them. The fact is, there wasnt any mean to know that Anakin was the Chosen One, any mean except intuition. Qui Gon : "He is the Chosen One , you must see it " ( no dude, this is your intuition - these Si, Ne guys cannot see it), Yoda's reply : " Clouded this boy's future is" (Ne's uncertainty). He is very nonconformist, always following his intuition. He had the intuition that Anakin was the Chosen One, trusted his intuition and let him compete on the pod race . Ni-types can be in situations where they don't have a plan B (there are many examples), specially when they have the certitude that their plan will work. This is not impulsivity or inconsiderate move. (and instinct is actually a synonym of intuition). When dying, the first and only thing he found to say was 'He is the Chosen One, he will bring balance, train him". Balance that would be profitable for everybody. To summarize Qui-Gon trusted something that had really long (Ni) and wide (Fe) range and devoted to it. He's definitely INFJ.
I agree that he is Se, but I am leaning towards ISTP. His decisions are Ti-Fe based. The Ti comes from his conclusions that he trusts and inferior Fe plays the role in his protection of Anakin. He didn't have a moral belief that Anakin was the chosen one, he came to that conclusion logically and acted against the council on it. He also came to the conclusion that Darth maul was a sith lord through a Ti based process. A Fi user would be more focused on its own beliefs rather than its own logic, and his conclusion about Darth Maul would look more value based. All of Qui gon's value decisions, as few as they were, seemed to have been based on what's best for the group, and also remember that Fe doesn't always follow the norms of society, especially if it's in the lower half of the functional stack. Fe is oriented towards other people rather than personal beliefs, and qui gon believed that training Anakin was for the good of society and didn't see it in terms of his personal values. What everyone is describing as Fi is really more Ti based, as he rebelled against the council and trained Anakin because of a logical conclusion and a concern for the well being of society.
I agree with ISF_, although the more that I think about it, the more that ISFP makes sense. That quote is very Se-based, as are some of his other famous quotes, such as "Remember, concentrate on the moment. Feel, don't think. Trust your instincts," and "Keep your concentration here and now, where it belongs." Qui-Gon is incredibly impulsive in his behaviors throughout The Phantom Menace. His betting on Anakin in the podrace was extremely risky, especially since he had no plan for if it failed. Also, for an Si-dominant, he shows a very blatantly clear disrespect for authority. One example of this is in his dealings with the Queen of Naboo: "Padmé: The Queen will not approve. Qui-Gon: The Queen does not need to know." Another, the clearer one, is in his indifference to the Council. Obi-Wan, an actual Si-dominant, is often wary and somewhat frustrated at how much Qui-Gon goes behind the Council's back: "Obi-Wan: Do not defy the council, Master, not again. Qui-Gon: I shall do what I must, Obi-Wan." Not "I shall do what is best for everyone" (Fe), but "I shall do what I must" (Fi). Obi-Wan decides to defy the Council to train Anakin out of loyalty to Qui-Gon; his defiance of the Council stems from Si. Qui-Gon does not decide to train Anakin out of loyalty to anyone, but because it is what he thinks is the right decision, regardless of the opinions of anyone else.
I thought about that scene too. The ultimate sensor quote. I voted ISFJ, as I can definitely see him as having strong Fe. I am not certain about that though. I wondered about ISFP or ISTP, as that particular quote sounds more Se-based than Si-based, he exhibits blatant disrespect for authority, and that would explain why people see Ni in him as a confusion between tertiary and dominant function. However, he acts like a J and he certainly did not seem Fe or Te inferior, so I think an ISFJ with well-developed Ti is the best option. Most of his wisdom is probably from experience (very Si). Definitely ISXX.
Obi-Wan: "but Master Yoda told me to be watchful to the future" Qui-Gon;: "yes, but not at the expense of the present moment, your mind must be focused on the Force, Obi-Wan" Qui-Gon is actually a Sensor, an ISFJ. Yes he understood that Anakin was special, but he was not quick at forming conclusion. At first he notices Anakin's special abilities, but he's cautious, and say that he "don't know yet" what it means. It's only after that Obi-Wan send him Anakin's medichlorian rate that he's conviced of Anakin's potential. He is stoic, factual, and present-moment oriented. It's just that his inferior Ne is well individuated so that he can trust the emerging despite he initially more cautious and factual approach. Take in account that Qui-Gon in the Episode I is about the same age of Obi-Wan in the Episode IV (about 60 years old) so they are both likely to be mistyped as INFJ, but they are ISFJs and ISTJs.
Je pense que Qui-Gon est d'avantage T que F. Après avoir regardé le premier opus, j'ai remarqué que toutes ses réactions / décisions / justifications sont basées sur un raisonnement stratégique justifié, parfois au risque de le faire passer pour quelqu'un d'insensible. Il ne pense que très rarement en fonction de ce que les autres peuvent ressentir, mais plutôt en fonction de la solution la plus efficace sur tous les points de vue. Un exemple typique est quand l'équipage du vaisseau de Naboo hésite à se diriger vers Tatooine. Qui-Gon répond que le lieu est peut-être aussi dangereux que les autres planètes, mais qu'au moins il n'y sont pas recherchés, ce qui confère un avantage à Tatooine. Dès le début du film, j'ai vu Qui-Gon comme un INTJ. Je trouve que ce rôle lui sied bien : il se fie à son intuition, emet des raisonnements très pertinents et rapides, et à presque tout le temps raison dans son raisonnement. De plus, les autres personnages ont parfois du mal à accepter ses prises de position (cf. sa relation avec le conseil des Jedi)
Non c'est un SJ qui est sage et clairvoyant, mais un SJ quand même. UN peu comme Obi-Wan (ISTJ) qui comprend le potentiel crucial de luke pour la rébellion au point de s'opposer à Yoda qui y est réticent. A part ça il est tout à fait S, il est adepte de la force vivante, qui est celle du moment présent, et explique à Obi-Wan qu'il ne doit pas être attentif au futur au dépens du moment présent contrairmement à ce que pense Yoda. Il a hérité de l'indépendance d'esprit de sont ancien maitre Dooku (un vrai INFJ lui) et comme beaucoup d'ISFJ "mature" il peut être assez Ne dans le sens ou il identifie les potenilités en croissance dans son environnement et choisit de s'y fier. Mais il ne le fait jamais sans une certaine réserve stoïque et factuelle.Il n'a aucune certitude concernant Anakin avant de se rendre à l'évidence devant son taux de midi-chloriens excepetionnel. Un Ni dom serait beaucoup plus direct dans le confiance qu'il donne à son intuition, un peu comme Palpatine (INTJ) qui identifie immédiatement et sans réserve le potentiel d'Anakin et le met sans délai à son profit. Son coté Si-Ne se voit aussi lorsqu'il choisit d'aller sur Tatooine, ou il analyse stoïquement les différentes possibilité en pesant les différents facteurs éthiques et humains (Fe) et logique et utilitaristes (Ti). C'est un peu un "textbook Si dom" ou "textbook ISFJ" en fait. Les gens croient juste qu'un ISFJ ne peut pas être dans la rebéllion ou l'opposition à l'autorité et du coup identifie sans problème C3-PO comme ISFJ mais pas Qui-Gon. Mais c'est bidon. Je rappelle que Mon Mothma, la chef de l'Alliance Rebelle est ESFJ, de même que Lech Walesa. Alors Qui-Gon en ISFJ rebelle, aucun problème. INFP par contre c'et bidon. C'est évident qu'il est bien plus Fe que Fi, est pas d tout Fi-dom. Le contraste avec l'Emo KId Luke Skywalker est flagrant.
Il est beaucoup trop amateur des idées abstraites pour être un S. Il est rebelle sans être écrasant, et plutôt flexible malgré sa manière de penser, toute à fait différente des autres Jedi (il aurait siégé auprès du Conseil s'il était IxxJ)... De plus, le fait qu'il croit dur comme fer à la prophétie de l'Elu fait facilement de lui un idéaliste. Bref, je le vois bien en tant que INFP mature, un peu comme Luke Skywalker qui était aussi idéaliste en était convaincu que Vador a encore du bon en lui...