INFJ vs INFP (the most thinking/rational)
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Personal experience -- INFPs are indeed better at making complicated things simple. INFJs have the way to make simple things sound more complicated (makes sense to us, doesn't make sense to others, though). INFPs can INFJs can be looking at the same thing, but the methods to arrive there are different. Also, being rational can be either subjective (Ti) or objective (Te). INFPs have inferior Te, so they just prefer to put their personal emotions first, not that they can't understand what's beyond their own feelings.
I'm sorry @butterfly if that offended you. It just reminded me of an article about the difference between INFP and INFJ that said INFJ have kind of bird-eye view perspective, but they're also as if gliding over everything without actually be a part of it. In a way, this kind of big picture thing is limited in its own way. INFP, on the other hand, use Fi+Ne+Si to form a meticulous web of understanding of what they've experienced, and they have Te, so they have a way of explaining things they've experienced firsthand in the more logical and simple way. In short, both can be rational, they just have different way of seeing, analyzing, and coming up with explanation differently.
This argument is entirely subjective since INFPs and INFJs all consist of individuals who are going to hold varying levels of intelligence and "rationality". This entire argument is BS anyways since "rationality" doesn't actually mean that thinkers are more rational, and "feelers" don't always act/think with their feels. That's basic MBTI discourse. Plus all something like this is gonna do is make people whine more.
I was kidding.^^
@butterfly: I don't think they meant it that way.
"Anyway, I agree that INFPs can understand simple and mundane things ..." Thanks a lot. >.<
I've learned a lot about how people viewed INFJs from this post/thread. Personally, as an INFJ I never felt like I was "out there" in my reasoing. In my mind, everything connects and is within the realm of understanding, like a gigantic web in which you can see the entire component of things, although some may seem like they're totally irrelevant, but they're in the same web so, in bigger sense, they are all one. However, when I explain things, they tend to come across as elusive, as if I was talking about some random stuffs. Now I understand why I have problems explaining something that, in my head, makes perfect sense, but when it comes out of my mouth, makes no sense to others. I think it's partly because INFJ have polar Te, so their way of managing thoughts, like going from point A>B>C are a struggle. Anyway, I agree that INFPs can understand simple and mundane things and make it relatable much better than INFJs, as they have Si and Te.
As long as you keep referring to restaurants as "place of alimentation" and describing things in the manner of "lush constructions which has in it many hovering moths and dragonflies", I'll even be excited to walk off a cliff with you. <3<3
Oh bravo, how exciting! I think I would very much like to take you on a date...to a certain place of alimentation of course so that that is shoved out of the way. Actually, the restaurant I had in mind was "Socioexotica," a lush construction which has in it many hovering moths and dragonflies. There are only two plates. The superego supreme and the ID block boulognese. These are known, by some, to cause viviolent reactions by some introverted sensation users for subverting the traditional structures of taste their palates are accustomed to, and at times the digestion process takes days, but mind you, it will ultimately deliver you the finest, most socioexotic taste you could imagine. After all, its genius is it presents the flavors in just a different enough embodiment that it is unrecognizeable, but this only serves to reaffirm its uniqueness and ultimate worth. The one caution I give you is they do not serve nectar at this restaurant, only water. So, you excited? I am. I sure am.
I think I'm developing a databank crush on thephaxsi. I want them to use intricate details from Socionics to convince me it's better to put the dresser in one corner rather than the other, and go looking for them in the dark with a flashlight when they decide to go for a run with their music in the middle of the night after forgetting to drink and eat anything for many days. <3 <3
I would argue that the enneagram type is very important here, as it might determine how much each member of these types is using his/her thinking function. I have seldom heard of an INFP 5w4, while there are quite a few INFJ 5w4s using a high degree of well developed Ti. INFJs are certainly more distant and astral than INFPs, and less in touch with normal decision making via logic, but if you asked each of these type's to develop their thinking function I believe the INFJ would do better. It is hard to compare, however. If you gave an INFJ the opportunity to complete a mathematical proof, or write a book about logic, I think it would come together in a more well-rounded form than an INFPs attempt to use Te to measure certain observable phenomena around him/her. The presence of INFJs in the sciences such as Niels Bohr over INFPs suggests that at least from a career-application perspective INFJs have superior thinking capability. They are more able to apply their introverted thinking to accomplish a thinking goal than an INFP. Yet, in many ways, the INFP is more rational because on a smaller day-to-day level they are less physically removed from things and less resistant to acting, so they are more likely to be able to use logic to make thoughtful decisions. In a Jungian sense I will go with INFJ. The examples of INFJs using good Ti are too hard to counter. But on a day to day level I would surely say INFP is more rational.
Well I mean both types have the capacity to be great intellectuals, but I'm not sure what's really being asked here. Ni-Ti vs Fi-Si? Neither pairing necessarily implies "rational". Ti vs Te? Well that doesn't exactly work because Ti is the INFJ's third function while Te is the INFP's fourth. It's asymmetrical *and* the Thinking function is already prioritized pretty low in both types. So this is a bit of a redundant question in my opinion. Even if we were to ask whether the INTJ or INTP is "more rational", this question still wouldn't make a lot of sense.
I agree with Scotty. INFJ's are quite fanatical and focus too much on the outside world and let themselves be dominated by distorted symbolism of Ni. INFP's are much more introspective with objective and realistic reflections [Fi-Te], while INFJ's try to throw everything into a meta-physical place.
INFP's are more rational because INFPs has Ti-ish, and when they are in contact with the inferior function [Te] act like a chaotic INTJ. INFJ's are very empathetic and focused on external feeling, introspective rationalization does not happen right what form their bases '' rational '' and shit limited by Ni mystic.
INFJ are somewhat more internally logical, externally structured/composed, have a better developed (Jungian) thinking side than INFPs. INFP are somewhat more idealistic AND have better developed artistic side, they also have better grip on real things than INFJs do. Differences aren't huge to be honest. In fact they have more things in common than you think, yes even with totally different JCFs. In fact, it's hard to distinguish equally intelligent and educated INxx types if you haven't spent enough time with them.
The only difference between two types are the order of T functions. Same thing with ENFP vs ENFJ.
I think these kind of comparisons are semi-upsetting, but one often missed component of INFJs is that they tend to be a bit "out there" (Ni+Fe). INFPs are generally a lot more reasonable and grounded unless you're hitting very close to their heart. If you get a Fi strongly oriented towards truth/honesty, which is not uncommon in our secular societies, you can get a very decent thinker. Especially since, generally, Introverted Intuitives tend to be the most intelligent. On the other hand INFJs will usually be more diligent at academics and they are in a greater degree able to detach emotionally from logic and do it like a game, similar to NTs.
INFJ might be more intellectually heavy weight but it doesn't make them more rational.