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@Johncena You just posted a comment shaming on her for "being a whore" and that was only what was contented on your comment.
ESTP whore going through men like a knife does to butter.
I can see why people think Taylor might be an ESTP, because she's essentially a wolf in sheep's clothing, but even though she's calculating and manipulative, she's far too passive-aggressive to be an ESTP. She deals with people by shit talking about them in her songs, not in an open blunt way. An ESTP like Madonna would openly diss someone in an interview, whereas Taylor's method is dissing people through music which is fucked up if you think about it. She's basically profiting off of shit talking and ruining peoples' reputations. She also contradicts herself by saying how she wants a private relationship away from the spotlight, but then airs all her private relationship details in her music. So annoying.
The ESTP votes has to be a joke.
Seeing more interviews with her, it's very likely she's a true Feeler. Her ambition, drive, sex-appeal and those Se like things are probably enneagram 3 + sexual instinct. Also, a thing I think should really be made clear: SPs aren't the best dressed off people. The best dressed dressed and image conscious people are enneagram 3. It's not hard to find an ESP with god-awful fashion taste, but an enneagram 3 SJ will look almost impeccable. I know an enneagram 3 ISFJ and an en 3 ISTJ girl and they have the best aesthetic in terms of being well of all girls. Meanwhile many ESP girls dress godawful so I don't know where this SP=best dressed people comes too? It has more to do with enneagram than type. And Swift looks indeed impeccable. Also, ''Blank Space'' is the perfect pop-song. Honestly, I want to see her ESFJ because I associate ESFJ with awful music like Celine Dion, Jeniffer Lopez and other kind of atrocities, and Taylor Swift I actually think she's a true image icon, even if people my criticize her as a person, she's like a model of the perfect image conscious female. (Tirade ended)
ESFJ, possibly with NPD or something along those lines.
Her music is basic but it's catchy, which is an ESxx thing. As a person she's a very annoying white girl with a victim complex that likes dating shitty men and then whining about it in more basic/catchy songs for profit. Probably a sneaky ESTP or a slightly venomous ESFJ.
What in God's name. She's obviously SFJ.
ESTP? How is she not ESFJ? If she were ESTP, maybe she'd put more facts, events, and action into her songs than emotions. And her lyrics are simply so Fe-Si that...wtf, ESTP really? Wtf.
Would fuck her until the end #noregrets
Thou shall not tell us what thou dost think, for Lady Swift is as dominated by Sensation as I by Thought.
I see a lot more ESTP votes since I checked this page last time. :/ Is it because of the Hiddlestone thing? Well, I shall tell you what I think: Being in a relationship with someone for like a year+, having her heart broken and instantly finding a new, very popular guy and flaunting him anyway she can everywhere she can to get back at her ex is the way the most popular girl at your school acted (ESFJ), not your local ESTP who does not make such a big thing out of these things so often. Sincerely yours, SwiftFanForever92
I see Miley Cyrus as an F.
ESTP would make her the same type as Miley Cyrus.
Also, my principles are functions works dynamically, not separately, and that forms the image of who they are. I have no other way to point how each function work separately, because each trait has similar quality to another, so it can be at risk of stereotyping things that way. For example, if you think "competitive" "leader" "domineering" are Te traits, then you'll probably miss the points entirely because personality in people are multifaceted. Functions when working together can create similar characteristics. It's nearly impossible to assign particular traits to certain types. So, I only pointed out the obvious point of her personality, and you can rule out the improbability this way.
*defended the point that she is ESTP
Well, I didn't have any doubts about her being ESTP, that's my premise. So I only defended the point that she is ESTJ, as I don't see Si or Ne. Also @Speed Gavroche has convinced me down below. I guess that's the part of me not having Ti but Te so I have no doubts about things until proven otherwise :)
CT here got the point, that's it. But people would be much more convinced about the ESTP typing if you were providing any more arguments apart from 'She uses Fe and ESTPs with their Fe...' a 3 ESTP perfectly makes sense as a person who dedicates all her career to build a perfect image.
I still don't see any convincing arguments for ESTJ. ESTPs are good at many things that can be considered ExTJ's traits, such as being domineering leader (Alexander the Great?), competitive, hardworker, etc. And about her planning her image, isn't it obvious that it's a tertiary Fe thing? ExTPs are great at putting on a persona(s) that is deemed to appease people in general. And not living by rigid rules is such as Se thing. ESTJs would be more face-valued, by-the-book type of people. I don't see any Si in her except her "country-ish" albums before she went full mainstream pop.
Domer I think could be of an ESTP. Remember she is also a women so there are factors outside of her type as well. Not sure though. ESTPs can be social chameleons. They can fit in where ever they want. At least that's what my personal experience is.
I don't see ESTJ. ESTP have 3rd Fe which makes it easier for them to put a Fe-dom like face when they want.
I have an ESTP girl colleague, she's very charming and charismatic when she wants, and even heart-warming. But most of the time she's blunt and rather masculine in personality. I have this problem with Natalie Dormer, I can't figure if she's Fe-dom or ESTP who puts a Fe-dom face in interviews.
That doesn't make sense. Why the convulation? Also ESTPs are all abot the bottom line, ESTPs don't care for results? Really? That's news for me. I don't you should count 15 year old kids with obvious Se as examples of ESTPs. Actual mature ESTPs are all about the results, and quick results! They don't fuss about all the rules and processes and would rather cut corners to achieve their goals. They are also very status conscious, their Fe makes them charming communicators as well.
If she's a 3w2 So/Sx it is not specially rare that somehow she's not going to restrict herself to rules as Sps or 1s.
Changing to ESTJ. That doesn't necessarily goes with Si. Si is how would her have the image of the average via perception, then judging if want or not. And, 3s are that way, 3 normally want other people to follow what they followed, but doesn't make them rule followers neither.
Swift: "I don't live by ... rigid ... rules that make me feel all fenced in. I just live the way that I feel like, and that makes me feel very free." <br>Swift: "I'm intimidated by the fear of being average." <br>These quotes don't sound like coming out of an Si user to me.
As everyone with a brain that can think for itself outside of some dumb stereotypes has said, the debate should be between ESFJ and ESTJ. I think people really don't understand what competitiveness means to an ExTP. ExTPs enjoy competition and revel in it. The result is not their concern as much as having fun competing. Taylor is the kind of competitive that is the opposite. She plans to win but not because she enjoys the process. She wants to live up to high standards, as J types do. If you think she is a P type you really should rethink your entire opinion about typing.
I lost about half of my brain cells reading CT's quotes that are supposed to justify ESTP. I think I will retire from posting until they grow back. 4 of their 6 quotes make her seem more like a J type, and the last one is neutral. Only the first one is an argument for a P type, but it's probably just her trying to shake off some qualities she fears will get attached to her public image.
I agree ESTPs are incredibly charming. I just think there is nooooooo way an ESTP would be able to plan an image or have it planned for them, and then keep a perfect surface at all times. As for her boyfriends, she hasn't really had *that* many. http://stylecaster.com/taylor-swifts-ex-boyfriends/ All the relationships are also very conventional and last for a full year or so. She also takes each break-up very hard, as seen through her songs. This seems like the behavior of a ESFJ with lots of options, not an ESTP. As for her lyrics, I definitely agree they are very Sensor. There are *instances* of Ne though, which suggests ESFJ (Tertiary Ne) over ESTP (Inferior Ni). For example watch the Blank Space video and tell me it isn't Ne humor. How professional she is, her work with social media and marketing, etc., etc. - I would attribute all that to hard-working SJ-ness. As for ESTJ, I doubt that because she's so unimposing, has no edge ... Which probably contributes to people saying ESTP instead, which softens it a touch. If she's really cynically planned out everything and hiding behind a completely water-tight image, I would more readily suspect her of being ESTJ though. Or even ENTJ. I feel we're getting into comic book villain territory at this point though.
ESxJ's ARE notoriously down to earth as their primary perceiving function is Si. Her lack of "Ne" is a horrible argument against ESxJ. Actually I have yet to see any good reasons to think she is not an ESTJ. Down to earth and extroverted, yet calculated and dominant personality. Sounds like ESTJ to me.
She has LOTS of different boyfriends ... there is nothing old value here. She's more of a man-eater. And I don't know where you get the "ESTPs cannot be charming, nice & are impulsive and though part" because THEY ARE nice and charming and are one of the most popular type in high school. Actually I'm an ENTP and as a girl I was popular and nice, and everything every mom ever wanted in a perfect girl. It says nothing. I prefer to type the people by their functions and not by how they appear. She doesn't have Ne - her songs are very down to earth and she's quite physical in her descriptions, she's logical and calculating in her business decisions (try to be this "nice bigger sister & best friend" - she was the first to use social media & personalized marketing ( = make her fan feel like they are unique and she speaks only to them ) with her fans & she did it quite well, now you have youtube stars etc. I truly admire her as a business woman, but again I don't but her ESFJ mask.
As a Taylor Swift fan I'm kind of offended by the ESTP typing as it makes her out as this competitive, extremely fake opportunist. She makes extremely cutesy love songs for everyone and runs an almost perfect, professional business around it. No risks are taken, but she does what she does really well. All conventional steps are taken to make her albums the best they can be. No shortcuts. Pure hard work. Imo very SJ. When it comes to her pulling her songs back from Spotify and showing people she's not to be messed with, like in the Bad Blood video, that's just her Fe-ing her conservative American upbringing. "Of course you're not going to give away the music I worked so hard to create." On the other hand, how do you explain an ESTP constantly displaying such an adherence to "old-fashioned" values all the time? There has never been any "scandals" with her, and she has long-term boyfriends she takes it very hard when they break up. Furthermore, the way she makes friends with all the cool girls is obviously typical ESFJ behavior on a grand scale, she is pop-culture "most popular girl in class". Having good relations with powerful people is how she feels safe. It must also be pointed out that she is extremely famous among fans for being ridiculously nice. She orders pizza for entire crowds waiting for her sometimes. Now you might still say that it's all a fake image, but I just don't understand how in the world she could be an ESTP and not let it show at some point. For example, when Kanye West ripped the microphone out of her hands after she had won a prize, she just stood there, doe-eyed. Can you really imagine an ESTP just letting something like that go in silence? Final line of argument: She display a Ne sense of humor, which she would only have if she were an ESFJ. For example in the Blank Space music video she makes fun of people criticizing her for having so many break-up songs by making herself out to be this crazy maneater. (Notice how important public opinion is to her, she made a song about it.) Also in her song New Romantics she sings the line, "The rumours are terrible and cruel / But honey, most of them are true." Considering her innocent image, this is Ne humor. I mean, if she was secretly the tough, impulsive kind of girl - would she be joking about her image being fake?
Tries to act like an F, but really an estp
She's tertiary Fe I think, she is frank and funny, she is very competitive (which is often the case for se or ne dom), but she still fits in and knows when to stop and what's the right thing to say depending on the people and situation... She knows what's expected from her and plays the game when she wants to. Actually I'm a ENTP girl and when I watch her interview, I can strangely see myself a little bit in her behavior, in the way she says what she thinks (not like a really Fe dom who will say whatever people wants to hear) but as jokes or in a way that's charming (Te dom are much more blunt). I always found her pretty fake, and that's propably tertiary Fe, which is less sincere than secondary or dominant Fe. So for me she is EXTP, probably ESTP, I can't see much Ne.
ESTP opportunist does seem like it, definitely not a Te-dom.
sounds like ESTJ from what you described
I wasn't planning on making a whole case for why I think she's an ESTP, my previous comment was meant as more of a passing remark. But since some people responded I'll elaborate. She's a mogul. She's suing people left and right, trademarking simple phrases like "this sick beat", and she pulled all her music from Spotify because she apparently hasn't already made enough money. She puts out an innocent and unassuming front to the world, but her actions are very contrary to that. Se/Ti charisma and business sense masked with Fe.
How did you figure out that it was the real Taylor yet the one in the real world was the fake Taylor? This whole world must be a lie.
If you don't think she's an ESTP then you should check out the music video for her song "Bad Blood". That's the real Taylor finally coming out.
That's also a Te-dom trait. Te-doms from my experience can still be emotional and have "Fe"-like traits but they just process their desires more logically. She's either an ESTJ or ESFJ.
Well she does use Fe quite a lot but she is alpha kinda girl who knows what she wants and is pretty straightforward about it. ESTP indeed.
She does'nt value harmony, consensus, like an Fe dom. She is an alpha female who never sugurcoat anything and is very in charge. ESTP.
In her songs she makes herself out to be an introvert a lot...and most of them are LOADED with Si...but I must admit I haven't researched her a lot, just was obsessed with her albums. :P
Hahahahaha no. This is one of CT's single dumbest typings. ESFJ, outside shot ENFJ
Voted ESTJ, shes got that pragmatic alpha-female Te and the consciousness of Si. I think both the ESTP and ESFJ voters have valid points which lead to the conclusion of T over F, and Si over Se but ESTJ is the uncompromising compromise typing.
Although ESTJ is also very possible
I think CT is right for once with this one.
wow thats brilliant we really need people like you coming on here and telling who's a whore and who's not, because that completely makes us rethink what their type is. Jesus
ESTP from here as well.
ESFJ?? My god no... She's the perfect example of how an ESTP can fool people and make them believe that she is something else than what she truly is. She's an alpha female and a whore. She told to Selena Gomez -a true ESFJ- how to be more rude and pushed to act with more assertivity.
A good argument, Empr1ze. And I agree with you on CT as well, but it does defeat the purpose of this site if everyone accepts their typings without first thinking for themselves. They're knowledgeable people and have a good grasp on type theory; that doesn't mean, however, that they're always right. That's why this site exists: to hear different takes on people's types and use them to improve and evaluate your own (and then vote on it). If you just copy someone else's vote, even CT's, you defeat the purpose. That said I agree and change my vote to ESTP.
ESTP here. I made this account just to post this. I can identify with Taylor to the T. How? The way she presents herself to the world - a sweet and pretty girl with an irresistible charm. I get a thrill out of acting like your typical "Perfect Parent-approved Boyfriend material", getting approvals from others that tells me I've successfully "deceived" them with my image (type 3). I do this by acting like I care about others (in Taylor's case, about her fans, her interviewers, etc.), and what do I get in return? People willing to stand up for me. THat's all I gotta say. And do not bash CelebrityTypes; they are actually good typers. I have emailed back and forth with them trying to type another celebrity. All I can say is that they actually know what they're talking about. Unfortunately, there will be stubborn MBTI amateurs trying to bring a good talented team of MBTI web developers down Debaser is a perfect example who's too stubborn to admit he/she is wrong. Anyway, Taylor is a definite ESTP who succeeded in charming millions of people with her sweet girl personality
I agree too. Seems like an ESFJ to me.
Exactly what Debaser said.
ESTP??? I don't even... It's obvious that a lot of people just come here from Celebrity Types and vote for whatever they said, even when it makes absolutely no sense at all. That's just sad. Think for yourselves. It defeats the point of a site like this if it's just going to be home to a bunch of sheep cloning Celebrity Types.
j'ai du mal à voir quelqu'un du type T qui aurait chanté toutes ces chansons sirupeuses pleines de sentiments participatifs et d'harmonie générale qu'on éprouve dans ses années adolescentes. Il n'apparaît pas du tout de distance critique, ni d'élaboration technique; Au contraire on est au coeur du sentiment vécu à fond les ballons
Pas du tout T...
ESTP 3w4 So/Sx
C'est qui ? Encore une de ces starlettes pour ado ?